Comments on: Microsoft to join DataPortability – Where’s the beef? http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/ Personal Blog - Chris Saad Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:19:18 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Found the beef « Ungeek DaPo http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-468 Found the beef « Ungeek DaPo Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:07:18 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-468 [...] a response from Chris Saad, DataPortability chairman and founder. I should state that I am now involved with [...] [...] a response from Chris Saad, DataPortability chairman and founder. I should state that I am now involved with [...]

]]> By: After Social Graph FOO Camp — and a challenge for the Data Portability Group | FactoryCity http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-352 After Social Graph FOO Camp — and a challenge for the Data Portability Group | FactoryCity Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:51:11 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-352 [...] a member” of the group (you simply have to sign up for a mailing list) and the focus on large vendors without advancing an agenda with teeth and clearly defined metrics for success was palpable. But so [...] [...] a member” of the group (you simply have to sign up for a mailing list) and the focus on large vendors without advancing an agenda with teeth and clearly defined metrics for success was palpable. But so [...]

]]> By: » Recent Links on Ma.gnolia Fast Wonder Blog http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-350 » Recent Links on Ma.gnolia Fast Wonder Blog Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:03:38 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-350 [...] Microsoft to join DataPortability - Where’s the beef? « Paying Attention [...] [...] Microsoft to join DataPortability – Where’s the beef? « Paying Attention [...]

]]> By: david petar novakovic: attempted axiomatisation » Security in Dataportability http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-343 david petar novakovic: attempted axiomatisation » Security in Dataportability Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:53:47 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-343 [...] the announcement of Microsoft joining the DataPortability workgroup, the attention is on the blossom workgroup more than it has ever been [...] [...] the announcement of Microsoft joining the DataPortability workgroup, the attention is on the blossom workgroup more than it has ever been [...]

]]> By: David Novakovic http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-342 David Novakovic Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:22:16 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-342 @BenTrem : without a hint of snobbery I'm pretty sure that most of the unsure/against/negative/privacy people don't completely understand DP, which is the whole reason DP.org exists. :D @Charlie : thanks for the crosspost from the article on computerworld. ;) @Opo - in reality, there is just a representative from MS on the DP workgroup, we don't need to worry about "embrace and extend." in the end the sybolism of having someone like MS on "the team" is far better than not having them. It's exactly the kind of sybolism that we need to get the rest of the industry interested in something useful. Net effect? - positive. @BenTrem : without a hint of snobbery I’m pretty sure that most of the unsure/against/negative/privacy people don’t completely understand DP, which is the whole reason DP.org exists. :D

@Charlie : thanks for the crosspost from the article on computerworld. ;)

@Opo – in reality, there is just a representative from MS on the DP workgroup, we don’t need to worry about “embrace and extend.” in the end the sybolism of having someone like MS on “the team” is far better than not having them. It’s exactly the kind of sybolism that we need to get the rest of the industry interested in something useful. Net effect? – positive.

]]> By: Opo http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-341 Opo Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:23:38 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-341 Microsoft concept: If you can't Beat them, Join them... Microsoft concept:

If you can’t Beat them, Join them…

]]> By: Podcast: A Conversation with DataPortability’s Chris Saad http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-338 Podcast: A Conversation with DataPortability’s Chris Saad Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:05:41 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-338 [...] Chris Saad today and get the scoop from him on the big question regarding the workgroup: “Where’s the beef?” The answers will surprise [...] [...] Chris Saad today and get the scoop from him on the big question regarding the workgroup: “Where’s the beef?” The answers will surprise [...]

]]> By: Charlie http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-337 Charlie Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:55:35 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-337 It would be great to see Microsoft support the concept of data portability with its actions. I had a bad experience with them just a couple days ago: I am helping my Grandma right now move from WebTV to her first computer. WebTV was bought by Microsoft, so it's now MSN TV. Grandma has been using this service for at least 8 years now, and she has a lot of important stuff in her email folders that she'd like to move to her new service. I called MSN support and asked (nicely) how we could transfer all that data - her data - over. The response was a simple, "you can't do that". An incredible exchange followed, going something like this: Me: "I can't do that? Why not?" MSN Rep: "because there's no way to do it" Me: "Well shouldn't there be? It's her data!" MSN Rep: "Well we don't have a way to do that" Me: "Have other people called with questions like this?" MSN Rep: "Yes, quite a few" Me: "And what do you tell them?" MSN Rep: "We tell them there's no way to do it" Me: "Well that sounds like a problem doesn't it? How are you addressing it?" MSN Rep: (I don't remember how she answered this point, but it was very much in the spirit of, "we're not") Me: "Ok let me ask… is webtv's email stored on the box or on your servers?" MSN Rep: "It's kept on our servers" Me: "Alright, is there an open protocol your servers support, like IMAP or POP, to access webtv email on the servers?" MSN Rep: "No" It was very frustrating, though she did assure me that the data would be there just as long as we kept on paying for the service. It would be great to see Microsoft support the concept of data portability with its actions. I had a bad experience with them just a couple days ago:

I am helping my Grandma right now move from WebTV to her first computer. WebTV was bought by Microsoft, so it’s now MSN TV. Grandma has been using this service for at least 8 years now, and she has a lot of important stuff in her email folders that she’d like to move to her new service.

I called MSN support and asked (nicely) how we could transfer all that data – her data – over. The response was a simple, “you can’t do that”.

An incredible exchange followed, going something like this:

Me: “I can’t do that? Why not?”

MSN Rep: “because there’s no way to do it”

Me: “Well shouldn’t there be? It’s her data!”

MSN Rep: “Well we don’t have a way to do that”

Me: “Have other people called with questions like this?”

MSN Rep: “Yes, quite a few”

Me: “And what do you tell them?”

MSN Rep: “We tell them there’s no way to do it”

Me: “Well that sounds like a problem doesn’t it? How are you addressing it?”

MSN Rep: (I don’t remember how she answered this point, but it was very much in the spirit of, “we’re not”)

Me: “Ok let me ask… is webtv’s email stored on the box or on your servers?”

MSN Rep: “It’s kept on our servers”

Me: “Alright, is there an open protocol your servers support, like IMAP or POP, to access webtv email on the servers?”

MSN Rep: “No”

It was very frustrating, though she did assure me that the data would be there just as long as we kept on paying for the service.

]]> By: bentrem http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-336 bentrem Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:45:37 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-336 *Worse: I went to the trouble of keying this in, getting the data, getting the URL ... and it never posted!* An interesting schizophrenia's showing up in <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/01/23/dataportability-poll/" rel="nofollow">the poll at Mashable</a>: DataPortability is ... (84 votes cast) * A great idea that will have great results 35 of all votes * A great idea that will ultimately not do much 30 of all votes * A bad idea with too many privacy issues 3 of all votes * A meaningless set of marketing announcements 16 of all votes 65 of 84 thought "a great idea". So the skepticism isn't about the concept ... about implementation? about the players? Your guess is as good as mine. --bentremhttp://mashable.com/2008/01/23/dataportability-poll/ *Worse: I went to the trouble of keying this in, getting the data, getting the URL … and it never posted!*

An interesting schizophrenia’s showing up in the poll at Mashable:
DataPortability is … (84 votes cast)
* A great idea that will have great results
35 of all votes
* A great idea that will ultimately not do much
30 of all votes
* A bad idea with too many privacy issues
3 of all votes
* A meaningless set of marketing announcements
16 of all votes

65 of 84 thought “a great idea”. So the skepticism isn’t about the concept … about implementation? about the players?
Your guess is as good as mine.

–bentremhttp://mashable.com/2008/01/23/dataportability-poll/

]]> By: bentrem http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-335 bentrem Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:44:38 +0000 http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/01/23/microsoft-to-join-dataportability-wheres-the-beef/#comment-335 p.s. best to give some feedback that a comment has been submitted; after I clicked the button first thing I saw was "No Comments". (I get really pissy about this sorta thing; we knew better even before WWW came into existence ... UI/IA 101 ... and nobody seems to give a shit.) p.s. best to give some feedback that a comment has been submitted; after I clicked the button first thing I saw was “No Comments”. (I get really pissy about this sorta thing; we knew better even before WWW came into existence … UI/IA 101 … and nobody seems to give a shit.)

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