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	<title>Comments on: Mike Arrington is wrong, but not about Facebook</title>
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		<title>By: How to Get Six Pack Fast</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-1013</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Get Six Pack Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic is quite trendy in the net right now. What do you pay the most attention to when choosing what to write about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic is quite trendy in the net right now. What do you pay the most attention to when choosing what to write about?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Saad</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Saad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 02:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeff @Josie thanks for noticing that I was trying to avoid the shouting match and try to inject some perspective and actual practical solutions into the mix ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeff @Josie thanks for noticing that I was trying to avoid the shouting match and try to inject some perspective and actual practical solutions into the mix <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josie Fraser</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie Fraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 02:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris - Just a heads up to say thanks for making what was otherwise a painful boys own bun fight worth struggling through. At one point someone actually compared giving their wife &#039;permission&#039; to go to dinner with giving someone else permission over their data. 

I guess not surprising that in the hysterically macho atmosphere of the show the panel struggled to articulate  the cultural and psychological issues involved with changing communications and social practices, but hey ho.  

I&#039;m not wholly convinced that additional levels of permissions - your check box idea - is necessarily the way to go, although I guess it could work as a kind of Creative Commons comparative solution. You hit the nail on the head though with
&quot;The user is the only one with a clear rational statement about their own data, and there is no good default setting&quot;. 

Thanks for the thoughtful contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris &#8211; Just a heads up to say thanks for making what was otherwise a painful boys own bun fight worth struggling through. At one point someone actually compared giving their wife &#8216;permission&#8217; to go to dinner with giving someone else permission over their data. </p>
<p>I guess not surprising that in the hysterically macho atmosphere of the show the panel struggled to articulate  the cultural and psychological issues involved with changing communications and social practices, but hey ho.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not wholly convinced that additional levels of permissions &#8211; your check box idea &#8211; is necessarily the way to go, although I guess it could work as a kind of Creative Commons comparative solution. You hit the nail on the head though with<br />
&#8220;The user is the only one with a clear rational statement about their own data, and there is no good default setting&#8221;. </p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughtful contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McNeill</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 23:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seemed to me that the other folks on the call didn&#039;t quite understand the technical parts. Hence the &quot;shouting down&quot; and strong disagreement. 

&quot;First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.&quot; - Mahatma Gandhi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seemed to me that the other folks on the call didn&#8217;t quite understand the technical parts. Hence the &#8220;shouting down&#8221; and strong disagreement. </p>
<p>&#8220;First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.&#8221; &#8211; Mahatma Gandhi</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep punching, Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep punching, Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How SHOULD dynamic privacy work?</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How SHOULD dynamic privacy work?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Saad refers to a checkbox that needs to get clicked. I don&#8217;t care what it&#8217;s called, (and I sure as hell hope we don&#8217;t have to worry about what the logo looks like.) But I do think we can all agree that opt in controls are needed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Saad refers to a checkbox that needs to get clicked. I don&#8217;t care what it&#8217;s called, (and I sure as hell hope we don&#8217;t have to worry about what the logo looks like.) But I do think we can all agree that opt in controls are needed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Bogovich</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Bogovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I love the pot shots. Fantastic, people spend thousands upon thousands of hours of their own time, don&#039;t get a dime for it and the moment these people get some results a million people explode onto the scene with a bunch of demands and insults. 

Forget about loud whiny A list bloggers, remember the little people. Remember your average every day person, scale up to the people who are active on the social web, but just because people want to make money bringing the data portability conversation out of data portabilities forums doesn&#039;t mean you have to change your position. 

BTW: I&#039;ve learned a lot about Data Portability and as you know I am continuing to think about the future. (bit further out than most people) I&#039;ve been working on some cool stuff I plan on introducing as soon as all of the hyper hype dies down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I love the pot shots. Fantastic, people spend thousands upon thousands of hours of their own time, don&#8217;t get a dime for it and the moment these people get some results a million people explode onto the scene with a bunch of demands and insults. </p>
<p>Forget about loud whiny A list bloggers, remember the little people. Remember your average every day person, scale up to the people who are active on the social web, but just because people want to make money bringing the data portability conversation out of data portabilities forums doesn&#8217;t mean you have to change your position. </p>
<p>BTW: I&#8217;ve learned a lot about Data Portability and as you know I am continuing to think about the future. (bit further out than most people) I&#8217;ve been working on some cool stuff I plan on introducing as soon as all of the hyper hype dies down.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Holcombe</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Holcombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I am pleased to see your comment about the front end of what I call granular information ownership. 

I say &#039;front end&#039; because, as Richard Cunningham mentions, &quot;It&#039;s a bit all or nothing at the moment&quot;.

What dataportability needs to incorporate on the way to data ownerships is data traceability in the hands of information producers, authors, social networkers, etc. 

See:
http://pardalis.squarespace.com/blog/2008/5/12/data-portability-traceability-and-data-ownership-part-iv.html

But I like the direction you are taking. Want to hear more and am subscribing to an RSS feed from your blog today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I am pleased to see your comment about the front end of what I call granular information ownership. </p>
<p>I say &#8216;front end&#8217; because, as Richard Cunningham mentions, &#8220;It&#8217;s a bit all or nothing at the moment&#8221;.</p>
<p>What dataportability needs to incorporate on the way to data ownerships is data traceability in the hands of information producers, authors, social networkers, etc. </p>
<p>See:<br />
<a href="http://pardalis.squarespace.com/blog/2008/5/12/data-portability-traceability-and-data-ownership-part-iv.html" rel="nofollow">http://pardalis.squarespace.com/blog/2008/5/12/data-portability-traceability-and-data-ownership-part-iv.html</a></p>
<p>But I like the direction you are taking. Want to hear more and am subscribing to an RSS feed from your blog today.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 10:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook already lets you limit the information about you that is given out to apps and external items that use the API, it&#039;s at:
http://www.facebook.com/privacy/?view=platform&amp;tab=other

For instance if Alice restricts photos taken of her in the API and Bob adds an application which reads this information then the application will not be able to see pictures of Alice, even if they were taken by Charlie.

It&#039;s a bit all or nothing at the moment but that probably makes it easier for most people.

I know this because I have already bumped into people using this feature whilst I&#039;ve been developing friendbinder (a, not yet launched, lifestreaming site).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook already lets you limit the information about you that is given out to apps and external items that use the API, it&#8217;s at:<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/privacy/?view=platform&amp;tab=other" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/privacy/?view=platform&amp;tab=other</a></p>
<p>For instance if Alice restricts photos taken of her in the API and Bob adds an application which reads this information then the application will not be able to see pictures of Alice, even if they were taken by Charlie.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit all or nothing at the moment but that probably makes it easier for most people.</p>
<p>I know this because I have already bumped into people using this feature whilst I&#8217;ve been developing friendbinder (a, not yet launched, lifestreaming site).</p>
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		<title>By: masonlee</title>
		<link>http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/mike-arrington-is-wrong-but-not-about-facebook/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>masonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work on that call.  It was really interesting all around.  Not sure why Arrington and Gillmor were being so hostile; I&#039;ll have to listen again.

I&#039;m sort of a permissions skeptic still.  Are we ultimately saying &quot;Add DRM to all data?&quot;  I just wrote up some thoughts here:

http://masonlee.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/arringtons-email-address-unusable-in-andromeda-galaxy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work on that call.  It was really interesting all around.  Not sure why Arrington and Gillmor were being so hostile; I&#8217;ll have to listen again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sort of a permissions skeptic still.  Are we ultimately saying &#8220;Add DRM to all data?&#8221;  I just wrote up some thoughts here:</p>
<p><a href="http://masonlee.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/arringtons-email-address-unusable-in-andromeda-galaxy/" rel="nofollow">http://masonlee.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/arringtons-email-address-unusable-in-andromeda-galaxy/</a></p>
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